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Sagan and the Dalai Lama, a Retrospective.

Thanks again go to Larry Klaes for bringing this to our attention.

Religion and science do not have to be at odds. Science, said Ann Druyan, widow of Cornell astronomer Carl Sagan, can communicate with, learn from and even benefit from religion and vice versa.

Druyan, a writer and media producer who collaborated with Sagan for 19 years until his death in 1996, reflected on dialogues in the early 1990s between Sagan and the Dalai Lama at a Sept. 28 lecture in Anabel Taylor Auditorium. For the first time, film excerpts of the meeting between the two were shown in a public venue.

Sagan, Cornell professor and author of “Cosmos,” “Contact” and “Dragons of Eden,” among other books, was perhaps best known for his extraordinary ability to communicate science to the public. “He wanted to share with everyone the wonder and awe that science inspired in him,” Druyan said.

She stressed that there were political motivations behind Sagan’s work as well: “Carl believed that you can’t have a democratic society if you have a tiny scientific elite and a public who is uncomfortable with the methods and language of science,” she said.

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  • Anonymous

    I’ve never fully understood Carl’s pubic position on religion. On the one hand he’s clearly a non-believer. And that’s good.

    On the other hand, he seemed to coddle believers in the supernatural such as the Dali Lama. Is this just a display of goodwill, meant to try to reassure religious types who might otherwise reject science as it increasingly resigns religion to the realm of fantasy?

    I understand Carl’s legendary power of persuasion, but don’t understand exacty what he was trying to do in cases like this. Could Carl have been a little starstruck by the Dali Lama? I sure hope not, because this Lama is, IMHO, nearly as much a fraud as the other religious leaders who say one thing and do another. Admittedly, he’s generally more benign towards most people (this lama is, according to some gay activists, rather homophobic). Generally, this Lama opposes oral sex. And he has gone through several cyles where he declares himself vegetarian, then is seen in public eating meat. Worst of all, he’s recently made much ado of eating veal, and as far as I know, Carl Sagan wouldn’t eat veal. Sagan was after all, the man who saved the animal rights group (CSETA) on Cornell’s campus.

    As for the Dali Lama, you can read more here:
    http://badkarmalama.com/open-letter-to-the-dalai-lama.html

    http://badkarmalama.com/animalabuse.html

    http://badkarmalama.com/homophobia.html

  • Anonymous

    The Dalai Lama’s hidden past

    Comment by Norm Dixon

    http://www.greenleft.org.au/1996/248/13397

    Most solidarity and environmental groups supporting the Tibetan people’s cause have not questioned the Dalai Lama’s role in Tibetan history or addressed what it would mean for the Tibetan people if the Dalai Lama and his coterie returned to power.

    A 1995 document distributed by the Dalai Lama’s Office of Tibet aggressively states that “China tries to justify its occupation and repressive rule of Tibet by pretending that it `liberated’ Tibetan society from `medieval feudal serfdom’ and `slavery’. Beijing trots out this myth to counter every international pressure to review its repressive policies in Tibet.” It then coyly concedes: “Traditional Tibetan society was by no means perfect … However, it was not as bad as China would have us believe.”

    Was this a myth? Tibet’s Buddhist monastic nobility controlled all land on behalf of the “gods”. They monopolised the country’s wealth by exacting tribute and labour services from peasants and herders. This system was similar to how the medieval Catholic Church exploited peasants in feudal Europe.

    Tibetan peasants and herders had little personal freedom. Without the permission of the priests, or lamas, they could not do anything. They were considered appendages to the monastery. The peasantry lived in dire poverty while enormous wealth accumulated in the monasteries and in the Dalai Lama’s palace in Lhasa.

    In 1956 the Dalai Lama, fearing that the Chinese government would soon move on Lhasa, issued an appeal for gold and jewels to construct another throne for himself. This, he argued, would help rid Tibet of “bad omens”. One hundred and twenty tons were collected. When the Dalai Lama fled to India in 1959, he was preceded by more than 60 tons of treasure.

    Romantic notions about the “peaceful” and “harmonious” nature of Tibetan Buddhist monastic life should be tested against reality. The Lithang Monastery in eastern Tibet was where a major rebellion against Chinese rule erupted in 1956. Beijing tried to levy taxes on its trade and wealth. The monastery housed 5000 monks and operated 113 “satellite” monasteries, all supported by the labour of the peasants.

    Chris Mullin, writing in the Far Eastern Economic Review in 1975, described Lithang’s monks as “not monks in the Western sense … many were involved in private trade; some carried guns and spent much of their time violently feuding with rival monasteries. One former citizen describes Lithang as `like the Wild West’.”

    The Tibetan “government” in Lhasa was composed of lamas selected for their religious piety. At the head of this theocracy was the Dalai Lama. The concepts democracy, human rights or universal education were unknown.

    The Dalai Lama and the majority of the elite agreed to give away Tibet’s de facto independence in 1950 once they were assured by Beijing their exploitative system would be maintained. Nine years later, only when they felt their privileges were threatened, did they revolt. Suddenly the words “democracy” and “human rights” entered the vocabulary of the government-in-exile, operating out of Dharamsala in India ever since.

    Dharamsala and the Dalai Lama’s commitment to democracy seems weak. An Office of Tibet document claims “soon after His Holiness the Dalai Lama’s arrival in India, he re-established the Tibetan Government in exile, based on modern democratic principles”. Yet it took more than 30 years for an Assembly of Tibetan People’s Deputies to be directly elected from among the 130,000 exiles. Of 46 assembly members, only 30 are elected. The other 16 are appointed by religious authorities or directly by the Dalai Lama.

    All assembly decisions must be approved by the Dalai Lama, whose sole claim to the status of head of state is that he has been selected by the gods. The separation of church and state is yet to be recognised by the Dalai Lama as a “modern democratic principle”.

    The right-wing nature of the Dalai Lama and the government-in-exile was further exposed by its relationship with the US CIA. The Dalai Lama concealed the CIA’s role in the 1959 uprising until 1975.

    Between 1956 and 1972 the CIA armed and trained Tibetan guerillas. The Dalai Lama’s brothers acted as intermediaries. Before the 1959 uprising, the CIA parachuted arms and trained guerillas into eastern Tibet. The Dalai Lama maintained radio contact with the CIA during his 1959 escape to India.

    Even the Dalai Lama’s commitment to allowing the Tibetan people a genuine act of self-determination is debatable. Without consultation with the Tibetan people, the Dalai Lama openly abandoned his movement’s demand for independence in 1987. This shift was first communicated to Beijing secretly in 1984. The Dalai Lama’s proposals now amount to calling for negotiations with Beijing to allow him and his exiled government to resume administrative power in an “autonomous”, albeit larger, Tibet. The Dalai Lama’s call for international pressure on Beijing seeks only to achieve this.

    There are indications that a younger generation of exiled Tibetans is now questioning the traditional leadership. In Dharamsala, the New Internationalist reported recently, young Tibetans have criticised the abandonment of the demand for independence and the Dalai Lama’s rejection of armed struggle. They openly question the influence of religion, saying it holds back the struggle. Some have received death threats for challenging the old guard. Several recently-arrived refugees were elected to the Assembly of Tibetan People’s Deputies.

    The Tibetan people deserve the right to national self-determination. However, supporting their struggle should not mean that we uncritically support the self-proclaimed leadership of the Dalai Lama and his compromised “government-in-exile”. Their commitment to human rights, democracy and support for genuine self-determination can only be judged from their actions and their willingness to tell the truth.

  • Anonymous

    Wow! Thanks for that. I will see this lama in a new light. I wonder if Carl knew any of this about him.

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